Free-For-All:Westview Shopping Center
2008 June 11
I drove down Rte 85 for the first time in a long time today and was surprised to see how much progress (if that’s what you want to call it, that’s up to you) has been made to the area. The road to connect to New Design Road appears to be well on it’s way with a couple bridges done already. There’s construction starting as well on the buildings that are going in. I know we’ve mentioned this particular development before, but there’s a “Now Leasing” sign in front of the development.
What would you like to see answer that “now leasing’ sign?
Update: Here’s a website that has more details about the shopping center. It’s going to be called Westview Village and, as mentioned in comments, the only tenant listed so far is Mamma Lucia.
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I would love to see Wegman’s at this location rather than off 26!
I was told by the owner of Mamma Lucia’s they are opening a second location at this new location, which is great because I live just a few miles away!
I’d like to see Rio Grande come up to Frederick!
Monica
Heck no! That Wegman’s better be coming to 26! We are dying for good retail up at that end of the city!
I second PinkD’s comment. Let’s give the north end some love.
Definitely to Rio Grande. I emailed the corporate site about it.
Mama Lucias is definitely coming. Its on the management companies website as signed and also a WOW Wings and a bebe nail spa.
The real disappointment is what has become of the plaza on Crestwood which originally boasted 5 guys and greenberrys and Z pizza; it looks like they all backed out.
Thanks Sean. I hadn’t heard about those companies backing out. I was wondering why nothing seemed to be open there yet.
Definitely want a 5 Guys out there, as well as a QDoba. Frederick needs a Qdoba!!!
Other suggestions would be a Mongolian barbecue, Oakley or Under Armor Outlet, Carters, a Peruvian Chicken or Kabob restaurant, and a bar
I’d love to see a good Korean restaurant back in Frederick.
Sean – I work in the building right behind the new crestwood development. Greenberry’s still has there signs up on the building. I see construction people going in and out all the time.
5 Guys and a wings restaurant was supposed to be coming but looks like construction is still on going in those buildings too. the existing smoothie store is still not opened yet either.
I second (or is it third) the Rio Grande option. I would also love to have a Moby Dick’s up here — their hummus is addictive and I have to drive all the way down to Shady Grove to get my fix!
Ellen- FYI there is a moby dicks in germantown on germantown rd near the coldstone, 5 guys and Cal Tor. just thought i would save you some time driving to shady grove for it.
Other than 5 Guys I’ve never heard of any of the eateries you all are talking about. I guess it’s because I live, work and play downtown.
I used to really love Rio Grande…but now that I have found Fajita Grande and Mexicali Cantina…I am perfectly happy with my Tex-MEx right here in Frederick..(although the huge crowds and excitement at Rio Grande is a draw…)
I’d love to see a Cheesecake Factory . . . and a Don Pablo’s or Baja Fresh would be nice, too.
How many Five Guys does this town need? There are already two. Hey, let’s add another Starbucks. We don’t have nearly enough of those.
I’ve been wanting a Baja Fresh and/or a Mo’s. Either one would be a great addition.
As for a 3rd Five Guys…I’m all for it. Sure, we already have two, but for those of us who live south of the city, they may as well be in MontCo.
I hope the news of them backing out of Westview Corner is untrue. My wife and I have been anxiously awaiting their opening since we first caught wind of it several months ago.
I would like to see all of those suggestions. Might I add a California Pizza Kitche to the mix. I love their food. Don Pablos and Rio Grande would also be nice. I am not sure what is going on with Five Guys
Gotta have a Chevy’s Fresh Mex, Red Rock Canyon Grill, Tony Roma’s, P.F. Chang’s China Bistro, Red Robin, Ahn Loi 2, California Pizza Kitchen, Soup Plantation, Chart House, Cheesecake Factory, Jamba Juice, Chili’s, Z’Tejas Southwestern Grill, Logan’s Roadhouse, O’Charley’s, a truly outstanding Indian restaurant, an even better seafood eatery, ditto for a bakery, Trader Joe’s, and a Mandalay Bay Casino & Hotel Resort.
Hey, why think small? Just don’t forget crowd control.
Also this: Shut down La Paz, simply because it’s so bad.
And change the code in Frederick so that NIGHTCLUBS can open. This “Footloose” mentality in the 21st century is simply ridiculous.
Matthew R, people in frederick clearly can’t handle a nightclub, Exhale was more than enough proof of that, as well as all its iterations. If people wanna go clubbing, let ‘em go to DC to start trouble.
As for your other ideas, La Paz is fine and remains a popular place downtown that has good brand recognition throughout the region, if it’s a specific place that gets people to come downtown, wouldn’t you want to keep it open?
As for your other ideas, I dunno if we can do a casino, but the rest of them sound great lol.
Coming from PA and now living in Downtown Frederick…I really miss outdoor decks w/ outdoor bars!
Gordon Beirsch would be nice. Tuscan Brio Grille….how about an Ale House w/ rotating taps, now that sounds yummy!
TK, I don’t equate “clubbing” with “starting trouble.” Xhale failed to provide enough security, could have been a more orderly place, and was run by a guy who enjoyed confrontation with neighbors.
Actually, I’m fine with a nightclub just outside the Frederick city limits. Young people need a clean, safe, fun place to blow off steam.
La Paz is just plain bad.
There is a 5 guys in Damascus connected to one of the gas stations (cant remember which one).
Oh yeah…PF Chang’s. I always forget about them. Gotta love those lettuce wraps. Austin Grill would suit me fine too.
I second Matthew’s opinion of La Paz, although I’m not ready to support closing it…clearly a lot of folks like it. I’m just not one of em.
The first time we went, we had to send our food back twice-TWICE- because it was cold. The third time, it was just lukewarm, and it was obvious it had just been reheated in a microwave. And the taste was unimpressive. We gave them some benefit of the doubt…maybe we just caught them on a bad night…so we waited several months and tried again. This time the food was at least hot, but was just bland. I would have been happier going to Chipotle.
It’s pretty bad when the best thing you can say about a restaurant is, “the food was hot.”
Westview Corner Five Guys update: I can’t speak for how well Seneca Properties Inc maintains their web site, but they still show Five Guys, Greenberry’s and Z Pizza as tenants. Of course, they aslo still say “Grand Opening scheduled for September, 2007″. Here’s the link: http://www.senecaprop.com/propdetails.php?id=3
I haven’t gone to La Paz, but my folks have gone and did not enjoy the food. My mom walked by once and there was a woman sitting at a table outside, with her two dogs, and the dogs were sitting AT the table eating off plates. She was so disgusted she said she would never go back no matter what.
To keep it on topic, I would like to see a Gordon Beirsch or Rio Grande. I think there are so many food options in Frederick already. I would like to have a World Market nearby!
Seneca Properties hasnt updated their website since last year (probably denial).
I agree about La Paz, we had a horrible experience. Mexicali Cantina is our fav in Frederick although we often travel to Rio Grande.
Chilis told me they have no plans for Frederick in the next few years.
I would also love to see a Noodles & Company or a really good DimSum restaurant. I dont think we have anything like those yet.
Matthew I love all of your ideas. I think any and all of the restaurants and such would do well here. I doubt we would get a casino…lol
Frederick is in the dark ages. Let em give you an example. Back in the late 1950′s early 1960′s Frederick tried to run out McDonalds and……this location did not get a golden arches until maybe ten years ago and is the only golden arces in the city limits.
Another example. Hagerstown has a gay freindly church there and they have not troulbe there, but one tried to start up in Frederick and they got death threats.
As for Exhale, that was that wicked Jennifer Doughterty’s little pet peeve. she was the wone spear heading and sitting outside of the club late at night just lookin gfor trouble. Personally i think a grooovy club would be great somewher ein and around Frederick…..we need to get out of the dark ages.
However, I disagree with you on La Paz. It is my favoroite place.
Sean – I love the idea about a Dim Sum restaurant up here…. What a great alternative to the regular brunch scene.
I don’t think we necessarily need more chain restaurants to come to Frederick. Although…if we do get one…I would love to have a Houston’s. Limited menu – but everything on it is quite tasty.
I would love to have a real Chinese restaurant in Frederick. Not just fried food with oil & sugar – but a place that stays somewhat true to its origins.
SL, that’s why I want a good Korean place, but only if it’s as good as Hana’s was.
Well, Darrell, remember that Steve Walker moved Xhale to Rt 355 in the building now occupied by Mariachi’s. How’d that work out?
I’m not opposed to nightclubs per se, but the original Xhale location, smack in the middle of a residential neighborhood, was so wrong. Recall too how Steve Walker lied about the purpose of his establishment, filing for his liquor license as a “restaurant” (oooh, yeah, that’s a good one!).
The problem wasn’t the fact that it was a nightclub, but the type of club it was and who ran it. There are occasional scuffles outside, say, Lucas McCain’s or Pastimes Cafe, but nothing near the proportions of what happened routinely at Xhale.
I drove into the parking lot of Westview Corner yesterday. The FedEx Kinko’s is open, but I have to wonder for how long: Their wasn’t a soul in there, and I doubt anyone even knows they’re there. You’d think they’d put a “Now Open” sign on the street. Where the Seneca Properties web site shows Greenberry’s, there is a sign on the building that says “Coming Soon- Baltimore Coffee Co”. I’d guess that confirms that Greenberry’s did indeed back out. The entire structure is still far from complete, so the fact that 5 Guys and Z Pizza aren’t open yet doesn’t necessarily indicate they’ve backed out. But next to the Kinko’s, there’s another sign that Smoothie King is opening soon. So given that Balt Coffee and Smoothie King actually have signs announcing their pending arrival, and that 5 guys and Z Pizza do not…I’d say that’s a bit worrisome.
Thanks for checking that out for us, meahern.
It’s kind of fun to see the strong opinions on La Paz….ideas on “good” and “bad” do vary widely, especially when it comes to Mexican food.
One quick comment, purfling, I don’t think it’s fair to judge La Paz (or any other restaurant) on the basis of a customer’s actions (i.e., the woman sitting at a table outside, feeding her dogs off a plate). [I know you're describing your Mom's viewpoint here, not necessarily your own.] Seems to me that everyone should make up their own mind based on personal experience (and taste) and on factors within the restaurant’s control.
Ug… do we need any more places to eat or shop? Seriously? I’d hate to see nice litte Frederick turn into MoCo. I am sick of all these new shopping centers. I try to avoid RT 85, but the Common Market is out there.
thanks meahern. Even though I walk the parking lot a couple days a week there I keep thinking greenberry’s and not Baltimore Coffee Co….The signs are definetly out there.
The smoothie sign has been up for 2 months now…hope it opens soon! Fedex Kinkos did have a grand opening about a month ago but as you said it was and still is deserted. Nothing but alot of fedex trucks and that is all.
Frederickfan, I hear what you’re saying. But we won’t eat at any restaurant that allows customers to have pets on chairs, at the table, eating from plates/silverware. I don’t care how good the food is.
But when it comes to mexican, I love Mexicali Cantina.
Walked by the Smoothie King today at westview and they are moving in their equipment today…
Another reason I dont think 5 Guys is coming to the Westview corner…
The 5 guys website lists the coming soon stores and that isnt one of them.
I wish it was happening but probably not.
I have to second the request for real dim sum. Chinese food in Frederick has been going downhill for the last 10 years–and it didn’t exactly start at a stratospheric level.
Today, the emphasis is on “Chinese-style” food by the wheelbarrow, and most everything is heavily doused with oil, sugar and/or salt. Gen Tso’s chicken is practically a dessert dish. Kung Pao wouldn’t be recognized in mainland China. Most Chinese-style restaurants here in Frederick County are actually centralized chains, and many have so dumbed-down their menus that our only hope is for a Chinese invasion. (ha!)
Darrell Russ, say it ain’t so–La Paz your favorite restaurant? How would you feel if it suddenly lost its view of Carroll Creek? I think my low point there was when the kitchen served some “Mexican” dish with American cheese. Ugh. At least they could have reached for the brie.
The basic rule in restauranting is simple: There’s an inverse relationship between a restaurant’s views and its food. La Paz has a dynamite view.
Another restaurant we need: Afghan. If we can have Ethiopian food, why not Afghan?
Hah!!! “The basic rule in restauranting is simple: There’s an inverse relationship between a restaurant’s views and its food. La Paz has a dynamite view….” Love the comment, Matthew R.
I’d love to see a good seafood restaurant come to Frederick–in the Westview area would be heavenly but downtown would be great, too. I enjoy May’s and also the Libertytown seafood restaurant, but I’m thinking of someplace more on the order of an O’Donnell’s in Gaithersburg (Kentlands).
There was also supposed to be another restaurant put in called The Wingery (I think). If I can find the old layout the company sent ours to tell our employees what was coming I would dig it out. Not sure where it is though.
Update – The Wingery says there is a location in Frederick under construction…
http://www.wingery.com/1/locations.html
Thanks for all your leg work and research for these updates, Becky!!
The wingery signed to be in the Westview village on rte 85. They are no longer part of the seemingly dismal westview corner.
No problem Liz. I am just excited I have a place right next to work I can walk to instead of drive!
Hello all:
Five Guy is still coming to Westview Corner.
Yes. As I mentioned in the email earlier we still plan on opening a location at Westview.
Ken Rose
Director Of Operations
LHT Ventures, LLC
What is the fascination with Five Guys? Every time I have been there (3 times) I come out wondering what the attraction is. The food is marginal at best. I would take it over a McDonalds or BK, but there are far better hamburgers in the downtown area, like Wags and Acacia. I just don’t get it, but I guess as long as most others like FGs, it will leave the better burger places less crowded for us ‘non-fans’.
I think it is good and less expansive than Acacia. Wag’a, I muast agree, has great burgers.
Wags = greatest greasy delicious mess ever created (as far as I’m concerned)
TK…sounds good for the tastes but bad for the heart! HA HA! I am inclined to agree!!! tThere is something comforting in the taste of grease!
Steve, here’s at least one person out there who agrees about Five Guys. Like you, have been 3 times (twice at one location) and found the burgers (and other items) OK but sure nothing special.
Steve, I agree.
I enjoy Five Guys, but it’s just a grilled burger customized to your specs. No different from what I can do on my range at home. The beef isn’t anything great either.
Now the fries…
I go just for the french fries. A little malt vinegar and salt they are the best.
I wouldn’t call it a ‘fascination’. It’s just a desire to have more options. Sometimes I get a craving for a greasy burger and fries, and I don’t always have the time or inclination to go downtown (I live in Point of Rocks). 5 Guys fits the bill, and the Westview location will be relatively convenient to get to. To question the need for another 5 Guys simply because Wags and Acacia have better burgers misses the point.
Variety and convenience seem to be key here.
I second the need for a Noodles & Co!!!
Also, I’m surprised with all the talk about La Paz that Cacique isn’t mentioned as an alternative – those burritos are amaaaaazing!!!
meahern:
While I personally find their food undistinguished, I don’t question the need for another 5 Guys. Their customer base at the new locations they open will speak for itself. I also think it’s unfair to compare 5 Guys to what I can get at, say, Wags; for starters, I pay more for that burger at Wags.
Actually I suspect a new 5 Guys at Westview Corner will be welcomed and fairly successful–another lunchtime alternative to McDonalds for a quick bite that’s accessible to us nearby office cube dwellers.
Fosters Grille in Urbana is very similar in scope to 5 Guys.
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Dunkin Donuts please, please, please.
Red, Hot, Blue
Potbelly
Chicken Out
Fuddruckers
Baja Fresh
Jill:
Might I suggest a Tony Roma’s, Don Pablo’s, Copeland’s, Caribou Coffee, Chevy’s, Chili’s, and Cheeburger cheeburger. Cheeburger cheeburger are lookin gin Frederick and so is Johnny Rockets!! Oh and I would love to have a Sonic?!!!!
Aww, man, how did Potbelly get passed up? They need one in Columbia. I did a few weeks on a contract at the world bank and there was a potbelly right around the corner. SOOOOOOO good….
I sent them an email. (Potbelly’s)
I personally would love to see a Chicken Out locate in Westview. (I confess–I do like to have chicken often!)
What I really like about CO is the ample choice of side dishes–many of them healthy, and all well-prepared and tasty.
Chicken Out is great! Who knows if they will venture to Frederick.
I was with you on Johnny Rockets, Darrell, until I found out that the chain is now owned by none other than . . . Danny Boy Snyder. That sure took my appetite away.
It’ll never happen, but I could stand seeing a Max and Erma’s here.
Not to be rude about Chicken out – I dont know about you – but would you pay that much money for chicken and some sides? I can go buy a whole chicken cooks at sams club for 5.00.
I also checked out potbellys web site and again not trying to be rude but what is so special about a little variety of sandwiches and salads? I am only curious – not trying to sound smart.
Have never had occasion to visit Potbelly’s so I can’t comment.
Re Chicken Out–Yes, I can buy a whole cooked chicken at Sam’s Club for $5.00 and for a bit more at any number of grocery stores. BUT that doesn’t get me a complete, nourishing meal with, say, mashed sweet potatoes, a steamed veggie medley, and a French roll in addition to grilled breast filets. Everyone has to judge how best to spend their hard-earned dollars, but for me, picking up a meal like that on the way home after a 12-hour day is something I’m willing to pay for.
chicken out is a special treat for us, but those few times a year we go we certainly enjoy it. My husband and I can split one of their pot pies in the winter!
I’d pick Cheeburger Cheeburger over fuddrucker’s any day. They’re BLT’s and milkshakes get me every time. But my husband loves Fudds.
Nothing special or out of the ordinary at pot belly’s. Fun atmosphere and good food. I hit it ocassionally during lunch.
Now Tony Roma’s–gosh that sounds delicious!
Slowly but surely, Westview Corner is coming along. Got a door tag coupon today for $1 off a 32 oz. smoothie at Smoothie King, which is “opening soon.”
Smoothie King is now open.
Thanks for the update Doug.
Yep – they are kinda pricey but good smoothies. They lean towards the healthier type of smoothies. They have weight/muscle gain smoothies, healthy, weight loss, and indulgence smoothies (or this is how they classify them). They have multiple “boosters” you can add in such as energy and so on…
Anyways they open early – I think 700.
Yep – they are kinda pricey but good smoothies. They lean towards the healthier type of smoothies. They have weight/muscle gain smoothies, healthy, weight loss, and indulgence smoothies (or this is how they classify them). They have multiple “boosters” you can add in such as energy and so on…
Anyways they open early – I think 700.
btw – nothing else is still open. they have stopped going into the other stores and working on them. Who knows when the others will decide to open up.
I heard Smoothie King is good too!
Well, throw all those excellent restaurant ideas out the window…the developer’s web site for Westview Village now shows the large detached unit adjacent to Rt 85 is to be occupied by Mimi’s Cafe. I’ve never heard of them, but even their own web site (http://www.mimiscafe.com/) looks bland and unappealing. A few reviews gave them high marks for breakfast, but said dinner was basically huge quantities of run-of-the-mill food. Doesn’t sound like my kind of place. Anyone here ever had the honor of dining at Mimi’s?
I have heard Mii’s Cafe is good. I also like the design of their places. they look like fairy tale houses.
Here is my review on smoothie king. It is kind of expensive for my taste. $4.95 cents for a small. The sizes are odd. A small is good enough, unless you really love smoothies. The large is huge! If forget the sizes but a small would do you in for sure.
I really like Smoothie King…esp if ou are on a ontrolled diet. Yeah, it i a bit pticey,but I think a small is more than enough for anyone!
Meahern–
See the responses in the “Baltimore Sun Critic Likes Frederick Restaurants” thread for a few more comments re Mimi’s Cafe.
Looks like 5 Guys is now coming to Westview VILLAGE, not Westview Corner, as originally planned. Here’s the link to a flyer at the developer’s web site…it lists 5 Guys as a signed tenant: http://www.saulcenters.com/Marketing%20Flyers/WestviewFlyer.pdf
There seems to be a rumor going around that a Hooters is going into Westview Village. I haven’t been able to find anything to substantiate it though.
The Hooters rumor has been alive and well for at least 5 years. Wishful thinking, I’d say.
Just to add to the Hooters rumor, I talked to a friend of mine tonight who said he knows of someone who drove down to the Hooters in Rockville a few days ago to apply for a job at Hooters in Frederick.
I’m no ChurchLady, but I still hate to think of a Hooters coming to Frederick. We (supposedly) can’t support a Trader Joe’s, yet a Hooters could sail right in. To each their own, but I hope it’s just a rumor.
I think a Hooters would be cool! Thanks fo rthe info. on the flyer for the center. I could not find it on the site.
WOW! Wingery is now open in the new Westview Village
and a new Liquor Store opened in Westview Corner
Cool about the Wingery. I’ll have to check them out soon.
A disappointment to announce, however: I was at Mama Lucia in Silver Spring today and asked the manager if he knew when their restaurant at Westview Village was schedule to open. He told me they pulled out because the developer doubled the rent. Too bad. I was looking forward to their arrival.
I was soo excited for that, although i guess the bright side is its one less restaurant down the street for me to go get fat at (and i know i would)
Don’t forgot there is a Mama Lucia in Frederick about 5-10 minutes from the Westview shopping center down 15 North in the Shops at Monoocacy.
I am definetely going to check out WOW Wingery. I noticed Firehouse Subgs has a sign up too, so they must be opening soon. I remember hearing a Mimi’s Cafe was going to open there as well. I wonder what other restaurants will open. Maybe Red Robin will finally open.
Re Mark’s comment on Mama Lucia exiting Westview Village due to developer doubling the rent: Maybe there’s something I’m failing to grasp, not being in this business myself, but how can developers see fit to raise rents–let alone double them–in the current economic climate? I know it’s always about charging what the market will bear, but especially with the wave of business closures locally (and having heard that rent hikes were the final straw in some cases), it’s hard for me to understand how the current market would be seen as supporting aggressive rent hikes.
I was wondering the same thing FredFan. I’d think the developer would rather collect sub-market rent (is that a proper term?) than no rent at all. Especially from a tenant that’s a proven winner throughout the region. It did occur to me however, that maybe I shouldn’t have taken his comment literally. Perhaps he was implying a hefty rent hike, but not actually double. Either way, same result. A shame!
On another note…looks like construction has begun on Mimi’s.
Anyone been to WOW! Wingery yet?? Reviews are welcome for what is good, not so good?
I went to WOW last night and I thought it was very good. Its a nice little place. They have TVs at every table and a bar. It wasn’t very crowded, but I’m sure most people dont know it’s there. They have a large selection of wings, which I thought were tasty.
Took the family to WOW Friday night. I guess the word is out because the place was packed. Apparently the kitchen staff was either too inexperienced to handle the crowd, or they were just undermanned, as it took 45 minutes to get our food after we ordered. We were willing to overlook that, seeing as they’re new, but our 3 year old began to get antsy after 30 hungry minutes…and when we asked if they could at least bring out his quesadilla ahead of our order, they said no, they could only bring the entire order together. I found that unwillingness to accommodate us a bit irritating.
Another minor irritation was that, about 20 minutes into our wait, the manager made a point of coming to our table to ask if we wanted our wings tossed in sauce, or sauce on the side. She then convinced us to get sauce on the side, because–as she said– they tend to get soggy after a few minutes when tossed. OK fine. We also thought it a good idea because we ordered a wing sampler with 5 different sauces, and if we didn’t like one of them, then we wouldn’t have to eat it. But then after all that…you guessed it…the wings arrived tossed in sauce anyway. Good thing the manager made the effort to clarify.
We also grew tired of the repeated apologies for the extended wait, followed by promises that our food would arrive shortly. If they had just said from the beginning it would be a 30-40 minute wait because they were running behind, we would have been fine with that…but the constant anticipation that your food will be here any minute makes the wait seem that much longer.
As for the wings: they were quite good. Big and meaty wings with 20+ sauce choices. We quite enjoyed 3 of the 5 sauces we ordered ( and for the record, the wings did NOT get noticeably soggy, as the manager had warned). The other 2 sauces were fine, but just a bit sweet for our taste. They were a bit pricey, in my opinion. A pound of wings (6-7 on average) runs about 7 bucks. Our 3 pound sampler had 20 wings, and was, I think, $21. Pretty steep, $1/wing.
Not sure I’ll go back for dinner. But it does look like a great setting to watch sports and enjoy a few wings and beer. Nice casual atmosphere, with TVs everywhere.
My family and I visited WOW a few weeks ago for an early dinner. I am originally from Biloxi, MS and was so happy to finally see a place open that served food with Cajun influences. Fried pickles are a staple in the deep south, and when I saw them on the menu, I was so excited to try them. They were very good, and I highly recommend them. I know it sounds unusual, but you should give it a try. The wings were very good as well with so many sauces to choose; the Cajun sauce was scrumptious. My husband tried the Gumbo, which was disappointing. I wish they served seafood Gumbo. But, it is hard to compete with New Orleans. I would highly recommend WOW for the wings and Fried Pickles. We will be visiting again soon.
J&P New York Pizza has good fried pickles as well, if you haven’t checked them out, I highly recommend it!
Unfortunately, Mama Lucia has pulled out of this new shopping center (which bums me out since I own a store in the Promenade-Neccessories). One of the Sherifs told me Cheesecake Factory was a lock but I’ve also heard Dave & Busters. Mimi’s cafe has already got a sign up on the front pad. We’ll see.
I’m personally not much on wings, but I do hope WOW Wingery will continue to pull in people and help “lift all the boats” in the shopping center. It does sound like a fun place to go–is there anything else on the menu besides wings that’s worth ordering?
On the other hand, Mimi’s Cafe is the kind of place I can see myself going to fairly often, from what I’ve been able to find out. I really hope it’s still on track to open….. .
Silly me. To answer my own question:
YES, of course, there’s plenty on the menu at WOW besides wings. (For anyone else besides me who isn’t a fan of wings.) On my soon-to-be first visit there, I’ll probably try the veggie and shrimp combo fajitas……
I want to see a Cheesecake Factory, PF Chang’s, or even a California Pizza Kitchen. I would also like to see Nordstrom and Sephora come to Frederick. I am tried of drving to VA or Montgomery county for these things. There are so many people in Frederick now and so many people from other places that come there to shop including the Loudoun county and Montgomery county people. It’s time to step it up. Also, I would like to see a west coast fast food chain like In and out Burger or Carl’s Jr. come to MD! I would even settle for a Sonic since they like to show their commericals on TV all the time.
Just a thought. I heard Charlestown Races and Slots was trying to get table games approved. Has anyone heard anything about that?
I order stuff from Sephora online all the time. Much easier than driving to Montgomery County!
An Old Navy would be cool also!
Kim – I completely agree with you! I too, want all those shopping choices in Frederick. I would also like to see more shopping opportunities on the north side of town.
The website for this shopping center updated today and they haven’t removed Mama Lucia from their tenant list. Of course, they haven’t added any new stores either:
http://www.saulcenters.com/properties-metro/md/westview/lease.htm
There’s a nice article on Firehouse Subs (which is now open) in today’s FNP. The owners are the same people who owned Jim’s Liquors, which burnt down in the Antietam Village Shopping Center a couple years ago.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/business/display.htm?StoryID=91812
Got a coupon in the mail yesterday for a free 8′ sub from firehouse, no purcahse necessary. Gives a couple more coupons on the back too. May have to try it out this week or weekend. Coupon was in the valuepack.
Wow, you got lucky. My coupons are for free chips and drink with sub purchase, free dessert with sub or salad purchase and a free kid’s meal with purchase.
Went yesterday to get my free 8′ sub. I placed my order online and was told for anything under 6 to 7 subs the wait time is usually 30 minutes. I waited approx 25 (as it is a 3 minute drive for me to the store) and they had no order for me in their system. They finally found the print job they had done to pass my order through in between the registers. The manager was standing there and apologized up and down and offered to walk my order through. It was really crazy busy in there, but noticed the sandwich line (about 7 people lined up fixing sandwiches and 3 people running the steamers) was working at a fast pace so I told her it was ok just put my order in there and I could wait. About 5 minutes and I had my sandwich. Getting my fountain soda took longer then my sandwich hard because the lines backed up all the way past to the back of the store where the soda machine was located.
I got the Italian Sandwich : Genoa Salami, Pepperoni, Ham, Provolone Cheese and Italian Dressing sprinkled with Italian Seasonings and served “Fully Involved” with extra cheese and bacon added.
I have to say it was really really good. The seasoning and dressing is what made the sandwich. I would definitely go back but not make it an all the time thing.
For a 8′ sub, brownie, and medium drink the total would have been roughly 9.00. This time it was 2.00 due to to the free sub.
HA! I received a consumer coupon in the mail yesterday and got another free 8′ inch sub coupon. Guess I got lucky.
Is Cheesecake Factory really a lock? I’ve heard those rumors for a while but it would be great if they really came to the area.
Firehouse Subs is open. It was definitely as good as I remember it from South Carolina. Chili is not as good as homemade but good overall.
KP, I doubt Cheesecake will come to that plaza only because Mimi’s is similary and has already signed and being built. I think Cheesecake would see that as direct competition so its probably wishful thinking.
This past Tues. evening, I stopped by WOW Wingery to pick up a preview menu for a bunch of us planning a get-together there in a couple weeks. After grabbing the menu and noting the very busy, full house at about 6 p.m., I decided to amble over to Firehouse Subs just to take a quick look. Here, too, the place was jumpin’, with every table taken and a jumble of folks milling around waiting to place orders. A spur-of-the-moment thought crossed my mind about sampling my first Firehouse Sub. But given the crowd and hub-bub I quickly decided to save that milestone for another occasion.
I noted the long line of empty storefronts snaking along the shopping center as I drove out, as well as Mimi’s Cafe taking shape near the entrance but still far from completion. The Wingery and Sub owners must be pretty pleased with the business they’re getting right out of gate and with little else around to draw customers, if what I observed that Tuesday evening was representative at all.
Must be official now:
http://www.saulcenters.com/properties-metro/md/westview/lease.htm
After speaking with the manager up in Libertytown and also Mamma Lucia’s has been removed from the lease plan. Sorry guys, no more Mamma Lucia’s in the Westview.
I’m okay with that.
How about opening…Dunkin Donuts (with a drive up window)? Arthur Treachers Fish and Chips? Long John Silvers? Carvel? Jack in the Box? Hardees? Chili’s? Maybe a place that serves natural casing hot dogs? Lots of places in CT serve them either deep fried or cooked on the griddle with bacon grease….oh yeah, gotta have bacon on the dog! A real bakery or deli? Butcher shop?
You guys need to go to a good sub place other than Firehouse Sub. I went there a couple of weeks ago and the subs were as bad as Subways. What has happened to us as a society that we have become so used to quick, assembly line, sub par food.
My family owned a few of Italian Sub shops and even though they are more expensive, it show you what you are missing at Subway or Firehouse subs. If you want to check out the difference, go to Nick’s Italian Grocery in Prince Frederick or Waldorf, Gallo’s in North Beach, or Italian Gourmet in Vienna Virginia. Sorry Frederick, the best sub shop we have anywhere near us is Vignola’s downtown and since it was sold a couple of years ago, it went downhill.
Re Firehouse Subs, I wouldn’t go as far as John and call them “bad,” but to me, they’re nothing special. Actually, between the two, I tend to prefer Subway’s offerings. But I don’t go to either sub shop expecting something special. I suppose it’s true that many of us today are OK with unremarkable food when it’s quick, accessible, and inexpensive.
Maybe I went a bit overboard with the bad comment but I am a huge fan of subs and am easily disappointed with sub shops. I think we should expect more for our dollars these days.
We were looking forward to Firehouse Subs, but our experience was not good. it took a long, long time to get the food. I had the ‘Smokehouse Beef & Cheddar Brisket’ and the texture was like eating a sponge. The meat was dry and all packed into the bread. I don’t know how they managed to make the meat like that, but it was gross.
For what its worth to them… I forwarded some of these comments along with my own sub-par feedback to Firehouse Customer Service. I thought they should know, and if they care, maybe they will step it up. I remember the one in Myrtle Beach being really good. Not sure why this one doesnt measure up.