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		<title>By: thedadreport.com &#187; The Chopped Limbs and Blown-Off Chins Museum</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedadreport.com &#187; The Chopped Limbs and Blown-Off Chins Museum</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] for lunch, (white table cloth) is Firestone&#8217;s, made even better by the fairly recent Frederick County smoking ban. There are a couple very cool toy stores in town. We like Dancing Bear Toys and Gifts, pop in there [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for lunch, (white table cloth) is Firestone&#8217;s, made even better by the fairly recent Frederick County smoking ban. There are a couple very cool toy stores in town. We like Dancing Bear Toys and Gifts, pop in there [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2008/02/15/friday-free-for-all-smoking-ban/#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cygnus, sorry no preview button, but if you want to provide me with the updated text with links I will make the edit for you.

Before there is bloodshed I think I will cut this post off. Thanks for participating in the second great smoking debate (&lt;a href=&quot;http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2005/10/26/smoke-free-frederick-revisited/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here was the first way back in 2005&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cygnus, sorry no preview button, but if you want to provide me with the updated text with links I will make the edit for you.</p>
<p>Before there is bloodshed I think I will cut this post off. Thanks for participating in the second great smoking debate (<a href="http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2005/10/26/smoke-free-frederick-revisited/" rel="nofollow">here was the first way back in 2005</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reference to Reason Magazine as an extremist publication is simple. First, it is a fact. Second, I place far greater credence in the thousands of distinguished epidemiologists, medical specialists, PhD researchers, and biostatisticians of the western world&#039;s most prestigious medical institutes and universities than I do in the rantings of an extremist magazine that somehow believes itself the defender of the Bill of Rights against an ignorant, weak, selfish, and dangerous American public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reference to Reason Magazine as an extremist publication is simple. First, it is a fact. Second, I place far greater credence in the thousands of distinguished epidemiologists, medical specialists, PhD researchers, and biostatisticians of the western world&#8217;s most prestigious medical institutes and universities than I do in the rantings of an extremist magazine that somehow believes itself the defender of the Bill of Rights against an ignorant, weak, selfish, and dangerous American public.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2008/02/15/friday-free-for-all-smoking-ban/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 11:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason Magazine--a forum for libertarian extremists, and yes I mean extremists--also argues that smoking bans increase drunk driving, that food stamps and unemployment should be banished, that automobile seat belts and air bags should not be required, and that the federal and state governments should be all but dissolved. Welcome to bizarro world.

Cygnus, please consult the latest findings published in the prestigious Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

But heres&#039; the larger point: There is no &quot;ball&quot; and there is no &quot;court.&quot; On Feb. 1, 2008, Maryland&#039;s non-smoking majority won, its smokers won by &quot;losing,&quot; and our nation&#039;s Bill of Rights still somehow manages to survive. When you move to Nevada, you will find plenty of smoke-filled restaurants to feel &quot;right.&quot;

Why don&#039;t you smoke, Cygnus? Seems you&#039;d be a natural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason Magazine&#8211;a forum for libertarian extremists, and yes I mean extremists&#8211;also argues that smoking bans increase drunk driving, that food stamps and unemployment should be banished, that automobile seat belts and air bags should not be required, and that the federal and state governments should be all but dissolved. Welcome to bizarro world.</p>
<p>Cygnus, please consult the latest findings published in the prestigious Journal of the American College of Cardiology.</p>
<p>But heres&#8217; the larger point: There is no &#8220;ball&#8221; and there is no &#8220;court.&#8221; On Feb. 1, 2008, Maryland&#8217;s non-smoking majority won, its smokers won by &#8220;losing,&#8221; and our nation&#8217;s Bill of Rights still somehow manages to survive. When you move to Nevada, you will find plenty of smoke-filled restaurants to feel &#8220;right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you smoke, Cygnus? Seems you&#8217;d be a natural.</p>
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		<title>By: Cygnus</title>
		<link>http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2008/02/15/friday-free-for-all-smoking-ban/#comment-3475</link>
		<dc:creator>Cygnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Guy, can we please get a &quot;preview&quot; button here?  I can&#039;t fix my botched HTML in the above post.  Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Guy, can we please get a &#8220;preview&#8221; button here?  I can&#8217;t fix my botched HTML in the above post.  Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cygnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cygnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Reason&lt;/i&gt; slices and dices Carmona&#039;s arguments &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/news/show/36723.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quite nicely&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;As the &lt;a&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; itself makes clear, there is no evidence that brief, transient exposure to secondhand smoke has any effect on your chance of developing heart disease or lung cancer. The studies that link secondhand smoke to these illnesses involve intense, long-term exposure, typically among people who have lived with smokers for decades.

...

Because the associations found in the secondhand smoke studies are so weak, it&#039;s impossible to rule out alternative explanations, such as unreported smoking or other lifestyle variables that independently raise disease risks. Although the surgeon general&#039;s report concludes such factors are unlikely to entirely account for the observed associations, the truth is we don&#039;t know for sure and probably never well, given the limitations of epidemiology and the difficulty of measuring low-level risks.

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Even supporters of smoking bans, such as longtime anti-smoking activist Michael Siegel, faulted Carmona for gilding the lily (blackening the lung?) by saying things such as, &quot;There is NO risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure.&quot; This position contradicts the basic toxicological principle that the dose makes the poison. Since it&#039;s hard to measure even the health consequences of heavy, long-term exposure to secondhand smoke, how could one possibly demonstrate an effect from, say, a few molecules? &quot;No risk-free level&quot; is an article of faith, not a scientific statement.[/i]

Ball&#039;s in your court, Matthew.

P.S.  Last month, I went to Wags.  The place was nearly empty, which says to me the smoking ban has hurt the restaurant.  In fact, I, a non-smoker, genuinely missed having the smoke in the air at Wags.  It just didn&#039;t seem right.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Reason</i> slices and dices Carmona&#8217;s arguments <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/36723.html" rel="nofollow">quite nicely</a>:</p>
<p><i>As the <a>report</a> itself makes clear, there is no evidence that brief, transient exposure to secondhand smoke has any effect on your chance of developing heart disease or lung cancer. The studies that link secondhand smoke to these illnesses involve intense, long-term exposure, typically among people who have lived with smokers for decades.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Because the associations found in the secondhand smoke studies are so weak, it&#8217;s impossible to rule out alternative explanations, such as unreported smoking or other lifestyle variables that independently raise disease risks. Although the surgeon general&#8217;s report concludes such factors are unlikely to entirely account for the observed associations, the truth is we don&#8217;t know for sure and probably never well, given the limitations of epidemiology and the difficulty of measuring low-level risks.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Even supporters of smoking bans, such as longtime anti-smoking activist Michael Siegel, faulted Carmona for gilding the lily (blackening the lung?) by saying things such as, &#8220;There is NO risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure.&#8221; This position contradicts the basic toxicological principle that the dose makes the poison. Since it&#8217;s hard to measure even the health consequences of heavy, long-term exposure to secondhand smoke, how could one possibly demonstrate an effect from, say, a few molecules? &#8220;No risk-free level&#8221; is an article of faith, not a scientific statement.[/i]</p>
<p>Ball&#8217;s in your court, Matthew.</p>
<p>P.S.  Last month, I went to Wags.  The place was nearly empty, which says to me the smoking ban has hurt the restaurant.  In fact, I, a non-smoker, genuinely missed having the smoke in the air at Wags.  It just didn&#8217;t seem right.</i></p>
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		<title>By: StorageLady</title>
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		<dc:creator>StorageLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, John D - those are all bad for &quot;you&quot; - but when you eat or drink those items, it doesn&#039;t cause cancer in the folks sitting at the next table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, John D &#8211; those are all bad for &#8220;you&#8221; &#8211; but when you eat or drink those items, it doesn&#8217;t cause cancer in the folks sitting at the next table.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes sharp elbows and kicks to the shins are the only way to get people&#039;s attention.  Words can be used to describe a beautiful sunrise or true work of art. In this case words are used to get our opinion front and center for all to read and see.  Speaking of words, a few have been printed along side every pack of smokes, anyone not taking the time to realize that smoking posses a health risk to you and those around you is well not the brightest bulb but that doesn&#039;t mean we should not listen to there opinion.  Smokers feel singled out, non-smokers feel liberated, freedom of choice is gone forever.  Please we all know that smoking is bad for you, here are a couple of things that are bad for you and maybe should be banned also from restaurants:
1. Salt- Heart disease, high blood pressure, etc..
2. Oil/Butter/Margerine - yep... high blood pressure, heart disease, etc..
3. Fat
4. too much red meat (maybe we should have a specific daily diet for people to have when they go out to eat, if you have had steak once this week the restaurant shouldn&#039;t serve you another)
5. Cream/Half-Half (yep, not good for you)
6. Alcohol (really, should we mandate that people only have one drink a week since we all know that alcohol is addictive, health risks, liver failure, kidney damage, etc..)
So where does it stop?? I promise to keep the elbows tucked in, just don&#039;t pretend to know all the answers, were only human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes sharp elbows and kicks to the shins are the only way to get people&#8217;s attention.  Words can be used to describe a beautiful sunrise or true work of art. In this case words are used to get our opinion front and center for all to read and see.  Speaking of words, a few have been printed along side every pack of smokes, anyone not taking the time to realize that smoking posses a health risk to you and those around you is well not the brightest bulb but that doesn&#8217;t mean we should not listen to there opinion.  Smokers feel singled out, non-smokers feel liberated, freedom of choice is gone forever.  Please we all know that smoking is bad for you, here are a couple of things that are bad for you and maybe should be banned also from restaurants:<br />
1. Salt- Heart disease, high blood pressure, etc..<br />
2. Oil/Butter/Margerine &#8211; yep&#8230; high blood pressure, heart disease, etc..<br />
3. Fat<br />
4. too much red meat (maybe we should have a specific daily diet for people to have when they go out to eat, if you have had steak once this week the restaurant shouldn&#8217;t serve you another)<br />
5. Cream/Half-Half (yep, not good for you)<br />
6. Alcohol (really, should we mandate that people only have one drink a week since we all know that alcohol is addictive, health risks, liver failure, kidney damage, etc..)<br />
So where does it stop?? I promise to keep the elbows tucked in, just don&#8217;t pretend to know all the answers, were only human.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://frederickmarylandonline.com/2008/02/15/friday-free-for-all-smoking-ban/#comment-3471</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Journal continued,

&quot;The researchers learned that in healthy nonsmokers, even
brief exposure to secondhand smoke resulted in blood vessel dysfunction and interfered with the activity of endothelial progenitor cells (EPCs), which are believed to play a key role in repairing blood vessels.&quot;

&quot;Taken together, these findings provide further evidence that even a very short period of passive smoke exposure has strong, persistent vascular consequences,&quot; the scientists write in the journal article.&quot;

The scientists say, &quot;our results help explain why there is a big immediate drop in heart attacks when smoke-free laws are passed.&quot;

This new study provides further experimental support for this warning by the CDC: &quot;&#039;Could eating in a smoky restaurant precipitate an acute myocardial infarction in a non-smoker? . . ., a growing body of scientific data suggests that this is possible . . . laboratory data suggest that even 30 minutes of exposure to a typical dose of secondhand smoke induces changes in arterial endothelial function in exposed non-smokers of a magnitude similar to those measured in active smokers.&quot;

A similar warning appeared in an article in a leading medical journal entitled &#039;Cardiovascular Effects of Secondhand Smoke - Nearly as Large as Smoking&#039; which found that &#039;the effects of even brief (minutes to hours) passive smoking are often nearly as large (averaging 80% to 90%) as chronic active smoking,&#039;)

Perhaps most tellingly of all, the US Surgeon General has stated in no uncertain terms:
* There is no safe amount of secondhand tobacco smoke.
* People who have heart disease should be very careful not to go where they will be around secondhand smoke.
* The bottom line is that breathing secondhand smoke makes it more likely that you will get heart disease, have a heart attack, and die early.
* Even a short time in a smoky room causes your blood platelets to stick together. Secondhand smoke also damages the lining of your blood vessels. In your heart, these bad changes can cause a deadly heart attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Journal continued,</p>
<p>&#8220;The researchers learned that in healthy nonsmokers, even<br />
brief exposure to secondhand smoke resulted in blood vessel dysfunction and interfered with the activity of endothelial progenitor cells (EPCs), which are believed to play a key role in repairing blood vessels.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Taken together, these findings provide further evidence that even a very short period of passive smoke exposure has strong, persistent vascular consequences,&#8221; the scientists write in the journal article.&#8221;</p>
<p>The scientists say, &#8220;our results help explain why there is a big immediate drop in heart attacks when smoke-free laws are passed.&#8221;</p>
<p>This new study provides further experimental support for this warning by the CDC: &#8220;&#8216;Could eating in a smoky restaurant precipitate an acute myocardial infarction in a non-smoker? . . ., a growing body of scientific data suggests that this is possible . . . laboratory data suggest that even 30 minutes of exposure to a typical dose of secondhand smoke induces changes in arterial endothelial function in exposed non-smokers of a magnitude similar to those measured in active smokers.&#8221;</p>
<p>A similar warning appeared in an article in a leading medical journal entitled &#8216;Cardiovascular Effects of Secondhand Smoke &#8211; Nearly as Large as Smoking&#8217; which found that &#8216;the effects of even brief (minutes to hours) passive smoking are often nearly as large (averaging 80% to 90%) as chronic active smoking,&#8217;)</p>
<p>Perhaps most tellingly of all, the US Surgeon General has stated in no uncertain terms:<br />
* There is no safe amount of secondhand tobacco smoke.<br />
* People who have heart disease should be very careful not to go where they will be around secondhand smoke.<br />
* The bottom line is that breathing secondhand smoke makes it more likely that you will get heart disease, have a heart attack, and die early.<br />
* Even a short time in a smoky room causes your blood platelets to stick together. Secondhand smoke also damages the lining of your blood vessels. In your heart, these bad changes can cause a deadly heart attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will let the pro-tobacco contingent argue with a May 6, 2008 study published in prestigious Journal of the American College of Cardiology, which said:

&quot;Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco found that healthy nonsmokers exposed to 30 minutes of second-hand smoke showed signs of blood vessel injury and impaired repair responses that persisted up to 24 hours after exposure.

Also this:

&quot;Second-hand smoke poses a serious and pervasive health risk to children and adults according to the comprehensive 2006 report from the U.S. Surgeon General, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. The report highlighted how vulnerable children in particular are to second-hand smoke. Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, worsening of allergies and more severe asthma.

&quot;The report also links second-hand smoke to coronary heart disease and lung cancer in adults and notes that even a brief exposure to second-hand smoke has immediate adverse effects on a person&#039;s cardiovascular system.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will let the pro-tobacco contingent argue with a May 6, 2008 study published in prestigious Journal of the American College of Cardiology, which said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco found that healthy nonsmokers exposed to 30 minutes of second-hand smoke showed signs of blood vessel injury and impaired repair responses that persisted up to 24 hours after exposure.</p>
<p>Also this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Second-hand smoke poses a serious and pervasive health risk to children and adults according to the comprehensive 2006 report from the U.S. Surgeon General, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke. The report highlighted how vulnerable children in particular are to second-hand smoke. Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, worsening of allergies and more severe asthma.</p>
<p>&#8220;The report also links second-hand smoke to coronary heart disease and lung cancer in adults and notes that even a brief exposure to second-hand smoke has immediate adverse effects on a person&#8217;s cardiovascular system.&#8221;</p>
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